Change the manufacture and storage systems changements#1094
As mentioned in #1089, deploying storage modules is now useless. They function the same whether they are closed or deployed, the only difference is that when they’re deployed, they lose 75 armor and occupy 5 core slots. No one would deploy their storage modules.
Instead, what should be done is that you can always see everything as if all modules were deployed, even if all or some are closed. However, the items that are in closed storage modules can not be used by stations, powerplants or turrets ; just like how it worked before the update.
In short : keep the mechanic as it was pre-update, but make a visual change from the player’s interactions, so they can always see the total contents of the ship’s storage.
As for the manufacture change, there is a much more interesting solution : worktables. They already kind of do what they’re trying to do with this change, but they’re a much better solution to the “problem” they were trying to fix.
Worktables could gain access to higher tier recipes. They should require more coal, longer to make etc, but still be possible. That would also mean the worktables in mines and basements in area 2 and 3 can become useful, since having a refinery worktable in a titanium mine usually isn’t any good since it can only refine copper.
It means worktables remain relevant throuhgout the whole game, and if someone is not confortable with modules, they can always use the worktables in the meantime.
However, I think it’s important for schematics of higher tier than T1 should remain in the research station and NOT be available in the worktable. Research modules take so much time and energy that I could totally see myself starting a schematic on the worktable and letting it work for 10 minutes alone in the background, meaning that I’d never have to use the research modules and stations. Same goes for upgrades in the production station : these should not be available in the worktable (drill, tracks, hull…). This would still force the use of modules, once in a while, for those who really don’t want to bother with modules ; after all, they are a core mechanic of the game.
Worktables still shouldn’t connect to the online storage in any way shape or form. But with the storage change described above, with a simple storage door or module near a worktable, you wouldn’t have to run through all your modules anymore to look for specific items, even underground. Leave the worktables feeling like extreme downgrades to modules and stations, as they are, but make them still usable and relevant in all tiers.
In short, make higher tiered recipes available on worktables, but with more disadvantages : cost and time, handiness and no automation possible. And don’t make T2 and T3 schematics and upgrades available on worktables.
While I agree about deployment, I very much like that storage is accessible all the time. We no longer have to manually transfer out of the main storage to secondary storage when driving around. The ability to craft while underground would be neutered if storage wasn’t accessible or would require massive amounts of manipulation of storage while the ship dives. Instead I don’t think storage should be deployable.
The rest I think wouldn’t be a bad idea, though there’s no need for additional costs or negatives beyond having to have the items in inventory. I can say I still wouldn’t use them because of that alone. I also think it makes more logical sense that the stations not tied to ship automation would be less expensive to run than normal and would encourage people to use them for things that take a long time to craft over automated solutions.
But the change for storage I suggested does allow you to interact with all items in storage modules. It’s just modules that can’t. And yes, the ability to produce stuff underground from stations would also not work anymore, but that is also part of my points.
With all due respect, Fire Dragon… Are you NUTS?
I’m pretty sure people universally love the storage changes as they are currently. With the current edition of the game there’s no need to constantly run back and forth and back and forth to put stuff in storage if your drill gets full while you’re underground, eliminating one of the biggest hassles in the game.
And the ability to craft while underground is brilliant. Before we were forced to use craft benches which could only make Tier 1 stuff, but now we can just let the drillship do it all while we’re driving somewhere else.
It’s universally better how it is now versus how it was before.
Here’s a better idea: Totally eliminate storage modules altogether. Instead, whenever you add a new “car” to the drillship, it gives you full storage without the need to add additional modules.
No more storage modules, no need to deploy them. No more loss of armor, or core slot and power usage. And those slots can now be used for something else, like more power plants and the eventual ability to put turrets on the roof.
I realize that this is going to be upsetting to you, Fire Dragon, but truth be told, it’s like you said: Nobody deploys their storage modules anyway. And reverting the changes made in the last update, is going to result in a lot of hate and a large reduction in playerbase.
Eliminating the storage modules and swapping them for a different one is the best option.
Yes, I am nuts. Have been for the past 2years of managing this website. But doesn’t change what I think about the game.
Yes, every single person loves this update… That is, only if you don’t count everyone who doesn’t, of which I know a few, actually. But fair.
I don’t feel like picking up a few stacks from one inventory and depositing them to another is a major hassle. The drill inventory getting full has always been annoying, but it was never that bad.
“we were forced to use craft benches which could only make Tier 1 stuff, but now we can just let the drillship do it all while we’re driving”
I fail to understand how these two things have anything to do with each other.
Yes, it is universally better - in a brain usage sense.
And then… My god. How is it possible to have an idea worst than what was implemented this update ?
My biggest issue with this update was that it removed more than it added. You’re suggesting to remove even more ??? Storage modules don’t need to be deployed anymore, yes ; but that needs to be fixed. You’re suggesting to do more of what this update did, which is removing the origin of problems instead of fixing them, leading to duller things. If you remove storage modules, there will be so much more room on the ship, placing modules won’t even be a challenge. Removing even more aspects of the game.
The best option would be to do what I’ve described in my post. Doesn’t remove what people liked about this change, but makes the challenge, the fun of the game come back.
Honestly, they’ve gotten some hate for just doing this update already. I don’t think reverting the changes will be that bad - it’ll actually be good. I would be much more confident if they built upon the solid foundation of the game pre-Control bracer update, rather than this lumpy foundation that is made for people who really don’t want to deal with the game.
The Fire Dragon - I recommend replacing storage modules with a different kind of module. Something where deploying them makes them BETTER.
Replace “storage” modules with “spaced armor” modules that give your drillship an armor boost when deployed. Or with a “decoy deployer” module that launches decoys which attract COG fire, giving us more time to shoot them. Something that’s actualy USEFUL.
Don’t revert all the good changes made. Make storage modules go away and give us something that uses the same model but does something different.
You’re not replacing them with something “better”. You’re replacing them with something else entirely that has nothing to do with them. That’s not replacing, that’s deleting something and adding something else, which doesn’t fill the gap that was just created at all.
Anyways, since you’re repeating yourself, so will I :
My biggest issue with this update was that it removed more than it added. You’re suggesting to remove even more ??? Storage modules don’t need to be deployed anymore, yes ; but that needs to be fixed. You’re suggesting to do more of what this update did, which is removing the origin of problems instead of fixing them, leading to duller things. If you remove storage modules, there will be so much more room on the ship, placing modules won’t even be a challenge. Removing even more aspects of the game.
The best option would be to do what I’ve described in my post. Doesn’t remove what people liked about this change, but makes the challenge, the fun of the game come back.
I also don’t think that in order to add new modules, another one has to be removed. Adding armor modules without removing a module is entirey doable, I mean - they did this update with the geothermal module. They added it, yet no module was removed.
People like the underground crafting. They like the ability to utilize their storage and produce things underground. You’re proposing the removal of what people like about the update.
Furthermore you have admitted, twice now, that storage modules serve no purpose at this time. They’re redundant and serve only as a way to weaken you. You agree with me.
So explain why the storage modules should they not be removed and replaced with a different module, one that isn’t redundant and actually serves a purpose?
Switch the storage module to a module that expands into spaced armor, or even better, some kind of Explosive Reactive Armor.
Kerry isn’t spamming, we’ve just been replying to each other back to back. There’s no way to specifically block someone, but you can unsubscribe from this post to stop getting an email whenever someone posts a comment here (see image). And yes, it is possible for me to ban users, but banning Kerry just because I dislike his ideas is called censorship, and I won’t do any of that. I won’t partake in any form of censorship/dictatorship.
As to you, Kerry - I tried to explain my reasoning, my way of thinking that leads me to saying such things, and also voiced my incomprehension of how I’m being a bully or twisting words. Just repeating what you’ve said previously isn’t going to get us any further.
And yes, an absentee vote counts in neither side of this argument. But why does this matter to begin with ? Ideas and suggestions are not implemented based on the amount of upvotes they get. It’s not because a seeming majority wants something that it’s a good thing - and it’s not because an idea gets close to no attention that it’s bad. I honestly wouldn’t be opposed to removing the votes button altogether, it’s more misleading than anything.
Fire - The reason I repeat myself is, you’re constantly misunderstanding.
I’m not saying what you think I’m saying.
You twisted “I don’t believe reverting the changes made are in the best interest to this game,” into “I, personally, want the changes in question so rejected by developer.”
I don’t know if you’ve noticed but I’m not part of the development team for Volcanoids. So you saying that I said anything close to “so rejected by developer” is PBS. (AKA Pure Bull Shit).
Now if I were a member of the development team for Volcanoids, then and ONLY then would your comment of “ “I, personally, want the changes in question so rejected by developer” have any merit whatsoever.
This whole damn conversation has been one misunderstanding after another. All I was doing by “repeating myself” was trying to clarify what I said, because apparently you can’t understand me. Even though I’m speaking English just like you.
So I repeated myself, slower and clearer. But the slower my words got, the slower you got. You kept interpreting my words as “I don’t want so rejected by developer”.
We kept going around and around because you kept misinterpreting what I was saying, and I attempted to clarify to no avail.
We seem to exist in two different realities. I can’t see any other explanation.
I said that once. ONCE being different than ALL THE time as you seem to be trying to say. I said it because that’s how I perceived what you were saying. I explained my reasoning as to why. You’ve been ignoring it for the last two replies, which is not my problem anymore. You want to ignore my responses, sure - if it makes you feel better by making me into this “bully” you’re talking about.
Also, congratulations of understanding the notion of “caricature” ! We might be getting somewhere !
And yes, you’ve been repeating yourself, to no avail. Precisely because repeating yourself is strictly all you’ve done. I’ll tell you how this conversation went :
- The changes are bad, here is why and how to fix them
- I believe the changes are good, and should be taken further by doing this
- I disagree, here is why
- this should be done
- I still disagree
- this should be done
- I still disagree, here is why rephrased
- The changes fixed that problem (random change of subject)
- I don’t think it was that big of a problem
- It was a major problem
- It was a problem, but not major.
- Everyone disagrees with you, you should mark your thread “rejected”
- Rephrasing my original proposed change, caricaturing your reply
- Nodoby agrees with you, you are a bully
- Here is what I understand of what you’re saying, I don’t understand how I’m a bully
- Nobody agrees with you, you are a bully
- I already answered to that
- I repeat myself and you don’t understand, you keep caricaturing my reply
- [this comment]
if you feel like that’s not it, feel free to explain how you perceived it so we can get things sorted. Or you can keep repeating yourself, but then I’ll leave you to that, because I have other things to do.
You’re having a fixation on things I say, and then keep on talking only about that and proceed to ignore my next few replies. Yes, I did caricature your “might as well mark your own thread as rejected” into “I don’t like it, so it is rejected by the dev team”. But I’m pretty sure I didn’t repeat it in all of my replies, as you’re saying.
If you think I keep on misunderstanding you, don’t you think the intelligent thing to do would be to try and explain things differently ? Or maybe you could try to read my comments to understand what I’m saying and actually reply to those, instead of repeating what you’ve already said ?
Again, if you think I’m wrong, I would love to hear your counter-arguments and your reasoning. But if you come back with yet another “You misunderstand me, you keep bullying me, you’re in a minority”, then you can already consider me out.
You’ve caricatured my replies more than that once and it’s pissing me off.
I’m not a cartoon. I love ‘em, I’m a kid at heart, but I’m not one. So don’t caricature my replies - it makes you look like a bully or troll.
Was there a post removed?
Where did this cartoons part come from?
Only bullying i can see is coming from kerry.
Out of all the things you could say about Kerry, I can’t say I feel bullied by him. I feel annoyed and tired, sure, but not bullied. Trolled, at a pinch.
And no, nothing has been deleted, but he has this habit of pulling random things from nowhere to change the discussion’s subject whenever he feels cornered. It’s not surprising anymore after the first 3 times.
Anyways, @Kerry Freeman. Once again, I am forced to say “again”. You fail, again, to back up whatever it is you’re saying. You don’t provide any examples, you just say stuff. You don’t put any thought in your replies.
You keep ignoring my messages. Fine, but then don’t make it look like you’re willing to engage in a discussion. If you want to talk to a wall, or yourself, or if you’re just incapable of holding a discussion involving two parties, that’s fine by me, but keep it to yourself. You could have said from the beginning that you weren’t going to be actually discussing anything, because that would’ve saved me a lot of time that was instead wasted here.
Although I’m glad you made that last comment short ; you went straight to the point and repeated yourself, word for word, again. That way I understand instantly it’s not worth it for me to keep paying attention to you anymore. You’ve lost any interest I may still have had in you.
That being said, if anyone wants to discuss the suggestion described in the post, please feel free to comment ! I’d be very glad to have an intelligent debate about it.
“Caricature” is also another word for “cartoon”. A grotesque or otherwise funny drawing of a celebrity or politician, designed to make fun of them.
Here are some links to caricatures of the recent past.
https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.fqJgFvF_YaZGetBK-TRGRAHaKe?pid=ImgDet&rs=1
https://www.caricatures.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Tony-holohan-print-scaled.jpg
https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.2P_7Ev4SnKTsKd2BUBYJbQHaKL?pid=ImgDet&rs=1
As you can see from my links, a caricature is a cartoonish drawing or altered photograph designed to make people laugh at the person involved.
In other words, you were making fun of me - not something a moderator should be doing. Can anyone say “gross misconduct unbecoming of a moderator of a public forum?”
Most places I know you’d have your moderation powers stripped for caricaturing someone like that. It’s a bullying tactic, plain and simple.
Moving on The Fire Dragon - I still disagree with your suggestion and from my understanding of the situation on Steam, I’m very much not alone.
At this point we are going to have to agree to disagree on this topic because it is going absolutely nowhere. Plus it’s bothering others, which was not my intent.
Rocky Thompson - I do not bully anyone, nor have I ever. Furthermore I attempted to apologize previously, you apparently did not see that post.
I only wanted Fire to stop twisting my words and manipulating them to fit his viewpoint. I’m sorry it’s caused you grief.
I didn’t know I was causing collateral damage. Oops.
Here is another possible way in case anyone reads it:
- deploying a storage module is only cosmetic.
- every station can only craft manually, if the modules aren’t deployed.